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helped to champion. >> it is all over california and other states now. we really were the forerunners. it is a wonderful thing to bring the community into this now. people have seen art being put into the community. this has not been touched by any graffiti. it just faded over time. it is so open here. there is nobody watching this. i think that is a plus to the community. i hope the graffiti people do not go out there now that i am opening of my mouth. >> i want to thank you for the 50 years you have already given to the city as an arts leader. >> i started in to briberon, i's
only been 45. >> you have championed his work over these years. >> it has been exciting working with him. it is one of the highlights of my life. >> thank you for being part of "culture wire" today. >> to learn more about the program and the list of public arts in need of maintenance, visit the website. thank you for
>> this is the small business commission, monday, june 13, 2011 meeting, the time is 5:38 p.m. and the meeting is called to order. at this time, please turn off our cell phones or silence. item no. one, roll call. commissioner o'brien? commissioner adams? commissioner clyde? commissioner dooley? commissioner kasselman? commissioner o'conner? commissioner riley? all commissioners are present. commissioners, item no. 2 will be continued until later in the meeting. enemy number 3, approval of the april 11, 2010 meeting minutes,
item 5, general public comment, allowing members of the public to comment generally on matters within the commission's purview and suggest new agenda items and there will be public comment taken after each item on the agenda. president o'brien: do we have comments from anybody on matters not on the agenda? seeing none, public comment closed. secretary: commissioners, item 6, discussion of possible action to make recommendation to the board of supervisors on board of supervisors file no. 110506 [planning code, police code, business and tax regulations code- limited live performance permits.] president o'brien:a presentation? secretary: we have a presentation from supervisor mirkarimi and i have public comment we received a few moments ago. president o'brien: welcome. >> mr. president, honorable commissioners, good evening.
ross mirkarimi, supervisor of district 5. this legislation simply aims to provide opportunity for artists and musicians and for cafes and restaurants where opportunity had not existed before or where there were prohibitions on cafes and restaurants in their inability to be able to afford the limited live performance permits because of how cost prohibitive those permits are. for a number of years, our office, as well as, i believe, many other supervisor offices, have entertained and fielded heavy demand by residents and by merchant owners who would like to see as much of an enterprising attitude in had their particular neighborhoods to allow for cafes and restaurants to be able to afford the permits that otherwise have
been very expensive and usually assigned to the cost scale of the much larger venues who can afford them because there's only a one price size that fits all. that price has discriminated against the small business operators which is why we have now advanced this piece of legislation. hundreds of cafes, restaurants and bars and other small businesses cannot legally offer their customers live performances because the only permit available is the one that is suitable for nightclub at a much higher cost. currently, a cafe owner wanting to offer modest live performances until 10:00 p.m. would be required to obtain a place of entertainment permit which typically requires a $1,700 nonrefundable application fee. were the permit granted, the cafe would then have to create a security plan and make other arrangements associated with major events.
a small coffee shop would require that at the same level as perhaps larger clubs you might be familiar with because some of you actually might have business partnership in one. in some parts of the city that a small cafe or restaurant owner would also have to obtain a conditional use permit from the planning commission which would cost upward to another $2,000. the current permit requirements are cost prohibitive for small businesses that wish to offer limited performance on their property for limited periods of time. meanwhile, those businesses would like to expand the range of what they can offer their customers, visitors and residents alike, that otherwise they have been stymied from doing so. we believe that we found the right nexus in helping in this wonderful forward-thinking city to be able to help put to work our artists and musicians who otherwise cannot gain that entry of work in restaurants and cafes
who are dying to be able to comport with the law to comply with the law and see that they are made valid in their ability to obtain the permit. we've noticed that because of the downturn in the economy, certainly nationally, statewide and city, that many of these restaurants and cafes are struggling to create and innovate whatever they possibly can to stay alive. now, even before the downturn in the economy, our office, which is very central, which our district is central in the city, and it covers many vibrant merchant corridors, has heard, over this period of time, how can haveays and restaurants would like to have a leg up. we're advocating for that leg up. i'd like to thank my former aide, regina drizzy, who has a strong business sensibility about her which has been well deployed in this arena here and we've talked about this kind of
business environment in us trying to figure out a way that provides, i think, small business with an advantage that had not existed before. we're using the existent geography of the current map already granted by the city and county of san francisco. we're not creating new geography. for the areas that have been permitted, we are simply establishing a new tier for those areas so it would not exacerbate debate of creating new zoning that would allow for this particular area, for gaining limited live performance permits. we are simply just creating the new tier of costs so that those businesses that are approximately 200 square feet or less would be able to then obtain a permit at a much cheaper cost than they would have before. the application with the entertainment commission would be a $385 application fee and
$139 annual renewal fee of 30-day neighborhood notification period upon submittal of a completed application. that is what this legislation is about. we believe that because it is significantly a reduced cost but creating a whole 'nother tier, that not only do i think this will be a very strong revenue generation generator, i think for the city, by allowing access to businesses where that access had been stymied, but then also activating a level of revenue and income and expenditure that hasn't been able to activate in hundreds of businesses at this level. so that is the high points. i'm more than happy to answer any questions. president o'brien: commissioner adams? vice president adams: i really like this legislation. i think it's about time that, i
think, this type of legislation will actually help with the character of many, many neighborhoods. in reading this legislation, i noticed that there were some parts of south of market that were excluded. is there any concerns there? my concern is along the sixth street corridor, there are several small businesses there and coffee houses that would really benefit by this ordinance. >> we're abiding by the geography that's already been established of where the limited live performance permits are allowed and we just simply overlaid in the existing area. i would be more than happy to amend the legislation to create that, but at risk of also perhaps stimulating a resistance by those who would like this to be prohibited area, that remains open to debate.
so i would be more than happy to. vice president adams: my concern is along the sixth street corridor because i know there are issues on the west side of soma and we could exclude that but i know the small businesses and coffee houses and that resurgence in that sixth street corridor, that this legislation would help a lot of those businesses. >> i absolutely agree with that. i tell you what our strategy was, was to seek as much consensus -- it's not easy -- but try to seek as much consensus between resident-driven organizations or resident-merchant driven organizations in these neighborhoods that would welcome this. some, in particular, south of market, feels strongly that there will be a cordoned off area that is not necessarily enabled to benefit from this legislation. do i think that's a wise idea? not necessarily. but i do believe that perhaps
lessons learned, they may warm up to such an idea later on. president o'brien: commissioner dooley? commissioner dooley: i was wondering about the part of the legislation that says it's 10:00 p.m. for the first year and then they can apply to be open until midnight. my only hesitation with that is that i feel like midnight is heading toward late night again and i would feel that some of the neighborhood residents will feel like it's easier to accept if it's strictly 10:00 p.m. i just wondered why you had that kind of gray zone there. >> it's up until 10:00 p.m. commissioner dooley: but it says after the first year it can be extended till midnight. >> well, i think based on good behavior, i was looking for an
incentive in the fact that it could be renewed but we were looking to incentivize. that's something that, you know, you think would somewhat counteract, i think, the corpus of this and i'm open to that. commissioner dooley: or at least maybe allowing districts to keep the line at 10:00 while others would be o.k. with continuing until midnight. >> all right. so duly noted. i'll keep an open mind to that. president o'brien: commissioner clyde? commissioner clyde: supervisor, thank you for sponsoring this legislation. it is very dear to my heart. i am a small business owner who would love to have it in the code that i can offer entertainment in my small establishment in the afternoon hours during sunday brunch and that we can do it without, you know, real restriction.
this is for live performance, this is for small venues whose place is not principally as a place of entertainment. i mean, my preference would have been to exempt all small venuess with fewer than 50 people just completely as the city of oakland did but, of course, that was not possible, so i think this is a great compromise. i would encourage you to look at the n.c.t. districts, the westportal, i believe, is currently not in the plan. >> that's correct. commissioner dooley: and also, back to the south of market, the small business community, i think with outreach and information may be more supportive of this. there are restaurants and venues that would like this and, you know, i would just hate to see them excluded if there were a way to draw, that a neighborhood
commercial district could say in the planning code, we would like our district to look like this after the fact, but i do think that there's some wisdom in going broader and then allowing a neighborhood to drill back down, as opposed to just exempting at this point, going the other way. >> my instinct is with your instinct, the politics, and in us trying to, i think, appeal to many representatives citywide but those who feel strong about the idea of keeping the prohibitions in place for whatever reasons that they want to deny the future bob dylans or tracy chapmans to come in their cafes or restaurants to play on the cheap, i don't know. but in this particular case, allowing that entree seems to create some concern so i'm
hoping that the test is that this initial step of our legislation works and works quite well and that i think it may be due time people will see the benefit of that by the word of mouth stream to business to business that will signal to those in the forbidden corridors that they, too, may want to join. commissioner dooley: and i want to point out the public safety benefits in having a lively and engaged street scape in our commercial district and the benefits of having young people engaged in art and performance with all their neighborhoods. most of our neighborhoods are mixed neighborhoods with young, middle-aged and elderly people all with all kinds of skills that should be offered in our cafes and bars and restaurants and art spaces so thank you very, very much. >> my pleasure, but you're
right, initially the legislation was citywide, it was vast, and did not overlay with the existing prohibitions but created the new permitting structure as a right for everybody citywide. we received considerable feedback, both enthusiastic support and those who had advocated for prohibitions in their particular mixed use corridors, they wanted to retain those prohibitions so i think it will take a little show-and-tell to explain why i think this will be uniquely important economically to the business environment and then helping put, you know, san francisco's enriched environment of artists and musicians to work throughout the city and i think that this can catch on, i really do. president o'brien: commissioner adams? vice president adams: i appreciate your comments because you hit the nail with that one
and i think about, you know, san francisco's a tourist town, o.k., and we get people from all over the world and a lot of conventions here and a lot of people come here because they want to do stuff in the evenings and this ordinance will make people go out and get into the neighborhoods and see our city and want to come back and back and back and spend money in our small businesses and cafes and everything so i really like this, but i do like to stress the area south of market, westportal, pacific avenue, that i didn't see on here, because i do think it's important that -- i mean, i love this legislation. i think it will help tourism but i would like to see it citywide. >> i agree with you. vice president adams: i know there's the politics that you have to deal with but i can't thank you enough for this legislation because it will help a lot of these small businesses, especially the cafes and small restaurants and bars because a lot of them don't do
entertainment because it costs too much. supervisor mirkarimi: so we're looking at about 30% of the cost of what is already required of what the permitting and the accessory costs are so for us to create a new tier at 70% reduction at the current costs and thinking there are hundreds -- and i'm not kidding, what we've been able to survey in the corridors eligible for this -- hundreds of cafes and restaurants that we think that could take advantage of this in the not-too-distant future over that period of time really could change the landscape of entertainment in san francisco and helping the businesses that really are looking for as much of a leg up as they possibly can. you know, and keep in mind, it wasn't that long ago that we just inaugurated the first park in san francisco in the fifth district where the impression of
many visitors to san francisco is that we would be the u.s. version of maybe paris, france, where they would expect to see a lot of outdoor seating and more cafes and more sort of the sidewalk engagement where people are sit being and dining and they're enjoying and there's music and it really is only in the last four years has this commission with the planning commission and entertainment commission been able to coalesce through the mayor and board of supervisors together by now emancipating our sidewalks so that there is that vibrancy. so this is really i think just a next step from what had already been instigated recently and we're getting that feedback from tourists and people visiting san francisco and from residents that they're liking to see the street activity going on. it's happening in my colleague's district, supervisor campos, you'll hear from shortly. it's happening in the fifth district, it's happening throughout many of the sectors of san francisco. and i think this will fit nicely
to that particular goal. president o'brien: commissioner o'conner? commissioner o'connor: , a couple of other comments. thank you for putting the legislation together and addressing an issue that should have been addressed a long time ago. first comment was, ticketing events, perhaps, one line to be drawn is that if people are selling advanced tickets, if it's like billed as a show, it doesn't qualify under this legislation. supervisor mirkarimi: right. commissioner o'connor: so that smaller spaces can gain cheaper access to putting on performances that aren't billed as shows, so to speak. second point was to address commissioner dooley's comment about the time. having experienced putting on shows, i think for the nature of this legislation, 11:00 -- like
10:00 is too early but 12:00 might be too late. 11:00 sounds about right, when a lot of people want to come and see a performance start around 10:00. like you'll have somebody go on before at 9:00 and somebody go on at 10:00 and 11:00 should be fine to end by but that could be addressed further down the road. supervisor mirkarimi: i think we can do that as this advances to the board of supervisors. i think that's very reasonable. president o'brien: commissioner riley? commissioner riley: thank you, again, for sponsoring this legislation. and i think it's a great idea to lower the application from 1700 to 385 and renewal at $139. i'm curious why $385 and $139. supervisor mirkarimi: this,
believe it or not, took the largest amount of time with the city attorney and planning department and entertainment commission, we have to be be absolutely precise about the science as required by law to affix a particular fee system so that it covers the cost of those who are granting the permit. so it strictly is a cost recovery of the administrative process of the permit in itself and that's typically the gauge that's used to help determine how fees are set based on capacity, meaning the size of the place, the businesses that is requiring it and other variables. president o'brien: any other commissioners? seeing none, for myself, we've read this and it came before us and the subcommittee quite a while ago and we all generally supported it. we see the common sense behind it.
i won't regurgitate what's already been said because it kind of covers everything and i don't mean to make you repeat yourself but just for clarity because these were things that came up and were foggy during the discussions, we saw some very complicated maps trying to squeeze this thing in a way that made everybody happy so now it's been simplified. those areas that are already zoned for a regular entertainment permit are now in this area that qualifies for the light entertainment permit, right? supervisor mirkarimi: that's right. the new limited live performance permits will cover the same area in the city where the place of entertainment permits are currently allowed as of right with the conditional use. president o'brien: and for the south of market situation, we're just going to have to kind of leave it the way it is and leave them out of it for now in the hopes that maybe they'll see the light later on? supervisor mirkarimi: that's another way of putting it. i would certainly welcome interest enlightenment that
would i think activate their participation in this, but out of professional courtesy to the host supervisor and the resident neighbors in the areas where there's prohibitions, we decided to keep it out and just make it simple. but, you know, there's a big leap from what advances from this body and feel free to make recommendations that escort this legislation to my colleagues that suggest if we want to expand or elaborate on this, i will be more than happy to carry that message. president o'brien: you may not have gotten this. it's dated 6/13, but it's from matthew tomly expressing concern that they're not going to be included within the area. supervisor mirkarimi: i didn't see that, no. president o'brien: it's dated today. i just got it. i'll just say that this indicates that there's a body of opinion that would definitely like to be included in that area so it's a voice, a legitimate
voice that ought to be heard and maybe we'll reach out to them and they've mentioned that they're having a meeting on monday, june 20, for anybody that wants to attend it so i'll put that out there. i personally support this legislation. i think it's very common sense piece of legislation and i support what commissioner o'connor said. 11:00 is a better time. i don't think that will upset too many people so i'd like to go on the record as supporting that adjustment to it. director? director: you just made mention of the letter from urban solutions in support of the legislation? president o'brien: yeah. with that, i'll hand it over to the public for public comment. supervisor mirkarimi: i just want to underscore because i know how modest regina is, but she was a big help in this legislation, with the office of workforce development and i very
much appreciate that and the entertainment commission and the city attorney's office because it took a bit of navigation to create a new permitting system at a lower cost for a whole population that's never been represented before so this is a bit of a win-win if we're able to make this thing stick. thank you. president o'brien: thank you, supervisor. do we have any public comment, if anybody would like to comment on this matter, please? secretary: public comment will be limited to three minutes. we have elliott wagner and rob black. >> i'm elliott wagner from the westportal and represent the merchants there. first of all, i would like to applaud the supervisor for making this legislation. president o'brien: make sure you speak into the mic, please. the other one. >> i think it's going to be a great stimulus package for small